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Undermining the war on "terror"
Published on September 15, 2006 By Calor In Politics

Today Bush outlined that US interrogators need to be able to use torture in order to get information out of captives.

A lot of interrogators say that torture isn't effective, they'll just lie.  What torture does do is erode the already low standing that America has in the rest of the world.


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on Sep 19, 2006
Most did. Along with most major intelligence agencies in the world. However, most democrats believed saddam had WMD's and was a direct threat to this country. Although they seem to forget that now. Typical.

like i said...not everyone did,,,including ME!!! you idiot...did you read my post? and furthermore, many congressman and senators voted against the authorization of force,,,,and in case you haven't been paying attention I'M NOT A DEMOCRAT MORON, so what does that have to do with me? besides, was it a prerequisite to be a democrat to oppose the war or is that just an assumption of someone who drank the kool aid and listens to comedians like limbaugh and hannity?
most of the world ofpposed this war dolt,,,,the only people who supported it in the whole world were the right wing of the GOP and everyone they could scare into giving support....so what's your point?


Everything causes a backlash in the arab world. Just being non-muslim does that, so you still have no point.

yes i do,,,in reality vs. your neocon theory,,,we went into kuwait, kicked out saddam, and respected the limits of the arab leaders at the time...the only backlashes have come from AL QUAEDA who this war should be fully against,,,THANK YOU FOR MAKING MY POINT !!!!

You can spin in all you want. Although you didn't answer, if it were up to you would Saddam still be in power of Iraq and Kuwait?

I HAVE SPUN NOTHING,,,BUT NICE TRY,,,LMFAO!!!! and i did answer,,,within the boundries of reality,,,i supported our actions by bush's father in kuwait,,,so your nonsense of "saddam in kuwait" has been CLEARLY answered...and him pinned down the way he was was certainly better than the pile of shit this administration lied and mislead us into.


give up,,,the walls are closing in,,,America will be victorious in the end,,,but this line of crap that the chicken hawks have spun will never float,,,,period...think what you want of me, but history always has a way of sorting out the facts,,,and sorted out they will be...maybe you should stop wasting your energy in trying to argue with good americans like me and start demanding accountability from this administration? we will never win any war against anything as long as stubborn, pig headed , narrow minded fools like you refuse to just let the testosterone go and realize that just maybe somebody other than these dozen or so neocons in power can do a better job in winning this war on islamists who use terrorism as a tactic than they have shown.

stop your rhetoric and really start fighting the good fight buddy...

have a nice day:)





on Sep 19, 2006
Am I missing something? I didn't know Al-Qaida and Hezbollah were signatories of the Geneva Convention.

yeah, you are...according to the supreme court of the united states of america, that is irrelevant. we signed on , and therefore are obligated to upholding our responsibilities. take your pick, good guy or amoral bully,,,cause ya can't be both.
on Sep 19, 2006
How interesting how you go out of your way to defend the rights of terrorists. Pathetic.
stop your rhetoric and really start fighting the good fight buddy...
I have no problem "fighting the fight". I'm not the one here advocating rights for our enemies. Your whole posts are filled with references to "neocons", so that shows you are a full fledged member of the looney left, which is no surprise since you are here defending terrorist rights. Sad.
on Sep 19, 2006
How interesting how you go out of your way to defend the rights of terrorists. Pathetic.

what is pathetic is your bullshit.

i am not a "leftie"...i am a libertarian...tucker carlson is libertarian and most people consider him a conservative, in fact, he calls himself that. personally, i would consider myself a little more progressive than tucker's views, but conservative or liberal rarely come into my thought process as i don't throw things out due to preconceived predjudices as many , including yourself, obviously, do....and before you go digging to find some libertarian position that you want me to defend, let me say i don't agree with everything they stand for...so that's moot. but my political leanings are pale in the comparison that i am an AMERICAN. and this is just another example of the administration loyalists (the kool aid drinkers) trying to drive wedges in between americans. FOR SHAME!

what you are doing, like what the administration and it's portable pundits are doing is exacly what the terrorists want...you are being PLAYED son. as is this administration and the better part of this country. terrorism doesn't win by attacking over and over again like the pres. would like you to believe. they stop when they have gotten their desired effect. and they got that in 2001-2003. now they are just watchin us. watching us destroy ourselves with paranoia, distrust and turning on our own. you and many in this country need to wake up to the fact that the tactiv of terrorism is effective when we start changing who we are, and forgetting how we got here. attacking me will never beat osama bin laden or al quaeda, it only EMBOLDENS them.


wake up!!! the geneva convention is a reflection of who WE are, it has nothing to do with the overspun "defending the terrorists" rhetoric you are spewing. it is far larger and far more important than anything you have suggested.

terrorism wins if we change our principles and values. if we are "america" in name only, without the ideals that got us here, then we are defeated. and son, i don't like to lose...so, i'll ask you again nicely, stop this crap and start fightin the good fight....for real.
on Sep 19, 2006

they stop when they have gotten their desired effect. and they got that in 2001-2003. now they are just watchin us. watching us destroy ourselves with paranoia, distrust and turning on our own.

If you want to talk about BS read that over again. 

wake up!!! the geneva convention is a reflection of who WE are, it has nothing to do with the overspun "defending the terrorists" rhetoric you are spewing. it is far larger and far more important than anything you have suggested.

It's not rhetoric at all.  You and others here go out of your way to make sure terrorists have rights.  Do you want terrorists to be read miranda rights when they are caught?  Should they be supplied with a lawyer?

terrorism wins if we change our principles and values. if we are "america" in name only, without the ideals that got us here, then we are defeated. and son, i don't like to lose...so, i'll ask you again nicely, stop this crap and start fightin the good fight....for real.

Wrong.  This terrorism wins when we are all converted to islam or killed.  There is no in-between here.  Islamic leaders/terrorists have stated they will accept no less than world domination by islam.  People like you that keep thinking we can talk to and negotiate with these people have no clue.  You either fight hard, or give up now and choose your islamic name.

 

on Sep 19, 2006
Islamic leaders/terrorists have stated they will accept no less than world domination by islam.

that was 1 statement made by some previously unknown group after the pope's diatribe against islam. osama's goals, as he has stated is to rid his holy lands of us imperialist zionists and capatalist pigs and all that mumbo jumbo he spews. no, he hasn't been exacly consistant all these years, but the world domination thing didn't come from al quaeda leaders last week. but that is really neither here nor there

as far as the rest of it goes...the "do i want this or that" crap is just that. what i want is for us to adhere to our obligations under the geneva convention. please stop trying to cheaply twist my words and take me out of context.

we can disagree on whether the geneva convention is a reflection of our values or not,,,ya wanna disagree with me , fine. i'm comfortable being on the same side as distinguished war veterans, republican senators, former JAG lawyers, a general that is considered one of our, if not our finest general in modern history and the supreme court on this one. you have said nothing that could persuade me or the forementioned distinguished ladies and gentlemen to be on the side of torture and ignoring our geneva convention agreements.

america is only as good as it's word. and unfortunately, our leader's words whave lost credibility around the world and continue to. redefining geneva to suit our short term purpose is a long term loser. fortunately, people in better positions than i see that and can do something about it.

do you think there's a big insurgency in Iraq? what do you think would happen if someone actually tried to invade us? ya wanna talk insurgency? this country is armed to the teeth, pal, thanks to the NRA (for better or worse, it's just a fact) and i guarantee you i will never need an islamic name, unless i choose one of my own freewill,,,after all, this is america. ...and i simply don't believe that any army or invasion could defeat our ideals. ..we are more a danger to ourselves than any outside force.



on Sep 19, 2006

that was 1 statement made by some previously unknown group after the pope's diatribe against islam. osama's goals, as he has stated is to rid his holy lands of us imperialist zionists and capatalist pigs and all that mumbo jumbo he spews. no, he hasn't been exacly consistant all these years, but the world domination thing didn't come from al quaeda leaders last week. but that is really neither here nor there

One statement?  The president of Iran has said it, hamas and palestinian leaders have said it, al-aqaeda has said.  I can keep going.

america is only as good as it's word. and unfortunately, our leader's words whave lost credibility around the world and continue to. redefining geneva to suit our short term purpose is a long term loser. fortunately, people in better positions than i see that and can do something about it.

Once again here we go with the world doesn't love us bs.  You could give miranda rights, and lawyers to captured terrorists and it would not change how the world views us.  The "world" which you care so much about what they think of you, really doesn't care at all about you. 

what do you think would happen if someone actually tried to invade us? ya wanna talk insurgency? this country is armed to the teeth, pal, thanks to the NRA (for better or worse, it's just a fact) and i guarantee you i will never need an islamic name, unless i choose one of my own freewill,,,after all, this is america. ...and i simply don't believe that any army or invasion could defeat our ideals. ..we are more a danger to ourselves than any outside force.

If they could actually do it or not isn't the point.  The point is islam wants to turn the west and the rest of world into islamic law.  They will not stop until that happens or they are defeated.  Talking to them like you and the euros want will not work with these people. 

on Sep 20, 2006
go here...Link


If your trying to post a link to something that supports what you're talking....it's best not to use your own "blog"!
on Sep 20, 2006
Schwartzkoff and Powell and every other military expert warned against going beyond kuwait and into a "hornet's nest." a few people disagreed, like cheney, rummy and wolfie...


And your little buddy, "Slick Willie". And don't try ducking this one. In the end the go/no go decision belongs "only" to the president!
on Sep 20, 2006
many congressman and senators voted against the authorization of force


Not as many as you'd like to believe:


The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public law 107-243, 116 Stat. 1497-1502) was a law passed by the United States Congress authorizing what was soon to become the Iraq War. The authorization was sought by President George W. Bush. Introduced as H.J.Res. 114, it passed the House on October 10 by a vote of 296-133, and by the Senate on October 11 by a vote of 77-23. It was signed into law by President Bush on October 16, 2002.


Fully 2/3rds of the house and 3/4's of the senate voted for "not" against.
on Sep 20, 2006
This is a brand new public domain 9/11 Truth documentary about the controlled demolition of the World Trade Center complex.

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on Sep 20, 2006
Fully 2/3rds of the house and 3/4's of the senate voted for "not" against

so what? my point was not EVERYONE bought into this bs,,,we were right then, we're right today. in what other part of life do you gibve full faith and credit to people who are wrong about almost everything over a 5 year period? if your broker missed on stocks for 5 years straight,,,doubt he'd have a job.

thank you for reinforcing my point.

And your little buddy, "Slick Willie". And don't try ducking this one. In the end the go/no go decision belongs "only" to the president!

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

george bush 41 was president when we invaded kuwait, he was the one these generals were advising,,,btw, he was also president in 91 when our covert agents encouraged the shiites in the south to rise up against saddam, promising our help to over throw saddam...then we turned our back on em,,,leaving them to be slaughtered....read your history pal, and get your facts straight. bill clinton was barely running for president when all this unfolded. bill was gov. of arkansas at the time.

and why is "slick willie" (not showing any predisposed biases there, are we?) my buddy? assuming i'm a democrat or a leftie? wrong.

your hate and blindness to truth become more obvious with each post. i suggest ya crawl back into your hole dr.

and island dog,,,stop just throwing out crap without backing it up,,,you go around trying to make everyone else prove everything to you to the "inth" degree, yet you never back up anything you say,,,just be quiet troll.

have a nice day:)
on Sep 20, 2006
If your trying to post a link to something that supports what you're talking....it's best not to use your own "blog"!

i'm sorry, was i breaching your "blog ettiquette?" sorry lil boy, i'll do things the way i see fit, and there, i didn't feel like repeating an entiire article i just wrote. much easier to do that, and doesn't flood someone else's replies with a whole new, multi page article. i've done it before, and i'll do it again. and i could care less what you think, as most of what you write on these pages are just coded hate and nonsense. if you don't like it,,, tough. sue me.
on Sep 20, 2006
your hate and blindness to truth become more obvious with each post. i suggest ya crawl back into your hole dr.


And "I" suggest you "bite me"! So "blow"!
on Sep 20, 2006
Your a funny guy Sean. You express yourself as if you were a well educated man then you call people names like "lil boy", "troll", "the kool aid drinkers", "pundits", "idiots", etc. What a childish mentality, how anyone could take you serious is beyond me.

Keep doing a good job defending those terrorist. It's nice to know that we can all lose loved ones and the terrorist get 3 meals a day, hot showers, Directv and respect from the guards while they wait for trials. It's nice to know that when ever they capture one of our people and torture, hurt and in many cases kill them by beheading that people like you go silent and do not say anything towards their actions. I am so proud to be an American now a days knowing people like you are part of this nation. Accuse your own Gov't, ignore the rest. Good job. The terrorist have already one, no need to keep fighting.
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