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How Republicans are sending good jobs overseas in the name of personal greed
Published on November 9, 2003 By Calor In Politics

    The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. It's a cliché. One that Republicans despise and have put forth considerable effort to disprove. They disprove it through a perversion of statistics. "Statistics can be used to prove anything that's remotely true." said the philosopher Homer. Homer Simpson that is.

    Bush got some good news on the economic front. That is, what we are told. A closer look reveals a mere continuation of the trend that the conservative deity, Ronald Reagan began. Either become a wide collared manager, computer programmer, analyst, or some other intellectual pursuit or prepare for a life of flipping burgers, selling shoes, or greeting people at Walmart.

    You can almost see the conservatives like Draginol and Anthony R who hang out with their smart friends arguing that the education possibilities in the United States are such that there's more than enough demand for the kind of intellectual white collar jobs that bring in the bigger bucks. Of course, it's also conservatives like Draginol and Anthony R that foist upon us books like "The Bell Curve" that makes a solid case that half of American society isn't going to be able to program computer software or figure out ladder logic Alan Bradley micro-controllers or sell integration services to insurance companies. What about them?

    What about them indeed. Historically, them, or as they used to be called, the Americans who live between the coasts, worked in factories making things. They worked with a material we called metal. Try saying that world meh-tal. Or maybe they worked in textiles. You didn't have to be a rocket scientist to work those jobs but they still paid really well. You worked hard at those jobs. Republicans know what that means? No? Working hard isn't about working long hours. It means using your arms and legs to do something quite unpleasant for long periods of time. You would get dirty. Grungy. Sometimes injured. But it was a job that produced real stuff and it made it possible for men and women to raise their kids in relative comfort. It paid for colleges that allowed their kids to find better work.

    But Republicans only give lip service to that kind of work. To save some money in the short term, they sent jobs to China by the millions over the years. Why pay an American $20 per hour when you could have someone in China do it for $2 per day? And folks, remember, Republicans are the ones who claim to be hard on Communism even as they blissfully transfer jobs, and wealth, to "Communist China".

    So the hard working men and women in the United States who once manufactured steel, cars or shoes are now, if they're lucky, selling shoes at a fraction of they pay they used to get. But unemployment is down right? Meanwhile the white collared people are doing just fine. You can see it in the luxury homes they live in. The marketing of fancier cars. The big 60 inch plasma TVs being sold for $10,000 at the store. They're doing just fine. So why should they care if that 40 some year old Walmart stocker was once making three times as much a year ago manufacturing plastic containers used for storing lubricant for engines (both now produced in China)?

    The big story today is how now these poor engineers are losing their jobs to India. Shocking. Just shocking. Not the job loss but the attention it gets that is. Oh poor guys. Welcome to the party, pal. This is what's been happening in the manufacturing sector for 30 years straight. You can think politicians like Bush and Reagan and their cohorts for this. They have only the vaguest notions of what the middle class is. To them, it's all about making goods cheaper for "average Americans" that they have no concept of.

    Instead of imagining what the "Average" American is, maybe they should start looking at what the "mean" American is. The typical. The example. They're not stock analysts. They're not IT managers. They're not engineers. They're hard working men and women who are increasingly being forced out of manufacturing into services. And not all services are the same. At the rate we're going, we'll have a hyper middle class that represents say 20% of the population that is doing "great". And then the rest of America that's stuck taking Pizza orders because of diminished opportunities that we can thank our Republican friends for.

 


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on Nov 09, 2003
It was Clinton who sold out America with his idiotic policies.

Stop reading epics such as “Iliad,” and the “Odyssey,” and pay closer attention to the news.


Bubba Sells Out America
on Nov 09, 2003
This won't be popular... but this isn't totally a democratic thing, or even totally a republican thing. It's a capitlism thing (sorry Draginol, hey, I'm a capitlist too.) as well. To some capitalists, and capitalist entities (like corporations,) it's all about the bottom line.
Often:
American labor + set price/rate = profit however...
Foreign labor + set price/rate = MUCH more profit or even..
Foreign labor + lower price/rate = More profit still.

More profit equal more money. More money equal more money given to buy^h^h^h support politicians on both sides of the fence.

(Argh... where's my Aleve?? Woke up with migraine... ugh..)
on Nov 09, 2003
Dude! I so agree with you! So, like, in my article that I recently posted, (yesterday) I ask you....do you have a friend of a friend who maybe knows someone who has a friend that has a solution/new idea? Europeans give America 20 years.....what do YOU think?

on Nov 09, 2003
Typical lefty tripe. Good point by Anthony R. Here's another article explaining that manufacturing jobs have been lost worldwide since 1995, including China (who lost 15% compared to the U.S. 11%.)

http://news.morningstar.com/news/DJ/M10/D20/1066625462299.html

Of course it's all (somehow?) the fault of the evil republicans. What isn't?


on Nov 09, 2003
How do Europeans "Give" America 20 years. For what? In 20 years, at the rate things are going, Europe will be well on its way to being an economic back water.
on Nov 09, 2003
You guys are not alone, this is an event if you like that being repeated around the world, mainly started by left wing Governments attempting to equalise wealth between first and thrid world countries, (it always worries me what has happened to those second world countries).
So whilist I am well and truely from the left, the truth is that this is a totally left creation created by the likes of Democrates in you country, just as it was created by the Labor and Democratic parties in my country.
Having said that I must say it did not take big business very long to realise the "merits", or should I say profit potential of this strategy.
Having said that, the very real fact is that the more countries try to change the trend with tarrifs etc , the worse it becomes for all concerned. Protectionism is not the answer.
The sad reality is that some countries can produce some products cheaper, however this is not a trend that continues, due to the fact that they do catch up in wgaes eventually, not that this helps the battling working class, as they are known in Australia. The good news is that a transition does happen as economies adapt. However proping up un competitive parts of that said economy on defferes this change and adds more pain for those who are already battling. What the US, as well as many other economies, need to learn is economies are fluid, and will always change as others find better and more efficent ways to produce goods and services. In these economies there needs to be a realisation that there will be new products and services that go with them, to advance an economy and assist those affected by change.
The truth is the conservatives did not create the situation, however they as usual have to effect the change. The reality is am I am yet to see me proved wrong, the left always have great ideas, and love to implement change, in areas such as social security, healt care, welath equalisation etc, sadly they are very inept in what happens after this stage and always fall down on the follow through. Thus the conservatives are left to clean up and rescue the economy. In a two party system which we both share, this seems to work well one being the consince, the other the guys who make it all work and take the heat as the right wing uncares, I can't believe I am saying this, however many of my like minded friends agree with me that this is generally the way it works.
The fact is you either spend huge amounts of taxpayers mony to prop up inefficent practices or you have some fore sight and recognise the need for change and work with industry rto effect this.
Australia has spent the last 15 - 20 years going through the same problems, and I am happy to say that our economy and population came out the otherside better for it with a much more robust economy, growing at a very healthy rate.
In a nut shell, Draginol and Anthony are correct in pointing the finger at Hil...sorry Bill Clinton, I'm sure he was the President. Oh and those battlers who lost jobs, well Australia hs more people employed now that at any time in the last twenty years, based on figures realesed Last friday, economy growing at 4%, with investment from overseas and local business up dramatically, the intent on the part of the left was correct, however it is now up to the right to make it work, and it will given the right stimules and management, as I said protectionism may keep a few politicans in office but will only extend and compound the rpoblems that exist within that economy
on Nov 09, 2003
The rich do get richer and the poor do get poorer, however many of the rich tned to take risks and work hard, and employ people, not all people with money are bad, and undeserving.
on Nov 09, 2003
Try reading some European newspapers.....the US govt. can't censor what THEY print.....you will also see what an embarassmet GW has become for this nation.
on Nov 09, 2003
hippygrl, I,m not sure if you are refering to my reply or the article itself, either way that my reply is neither an endorsement of GW nor is it a critisim of policy moving towards freeing up world economies, if you read my blog on protectionism, you will see that I actually endorse the policies which allow all economies to grow and florish, and do not believe in an introverted policy of protecting domestic markets. I do however support tax breaks and economic developments of domectic industries, and if GW is doing this then more power to him.
on Nov 09, 2003
Hippygirl, the US government doesn't censor the news or what is printed in the media. Moreover, I don't really give a rat's ass what France or whatever thinks of GW. Don't they have someone they should be surrendering to this time of evening?
on Nov 09, 2003
Quite right Draginol, what I and other non residents of the US and its President think in the long term is of no real concern to its citizens, it is you people who should have the final say as it is you who will benefit from either the good or the bad decisions, just as we have to deal with what our leaders do. After all I doubt that I or cictzens of France would appreciate our leaders being maligned by you or your media. You are the voters and it is your right to be proud or embarresed, however not all that the US does is necessarily wrong, you have contributed much to the world. However and sadley we are always remembered for our mistakes. As far as France is concerned, well they are faring no better than the US economically, and as far as caring about being a good citizen, just ask an Australian, New Zealender or and of the citizens of the south pacific on our opions as we have born the brunt of their atomic tests in the pacific, not to mention the British using Australia as a testing ground when they still were in a position to do so, and I am sure the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior is not that much of a distant memory. Some things need to be seen in the right context, France is not a very good International citizen at times, and they has some of the most repressive tarrif regimes anywhere in the world, which have hurt Australian farm trade every bit as much as the US. They also started the mess in Vietname, and sold arms to Iraq. So in the clear light of day I do not feel that the US should be taking too much notice of the CHET THUMPING of their President, as in the main he does not give a stuff about the Iraqies, just can see an opportunity to gain some brownie points with the Left in France and Europe, and it seems the US as well. If he was well intentioned say like the New Zealenders then maybe you could pay some attention. But he offered no solutions, just enough time to cover the French tracks throught Iraq.
on Nov 09, 2003
You got me fired up now, just to add to above, many of us have opions, and this has always been something I like about this forum. However while I was disappointed with Gw TB and JW(thats John Howard our Prime Minister), I was just as if not more annoyed with the spoiling tatctics of the French President and Media, as I do not believe that the domestic polictial aspirations of their President should be furthered by using the very real plight of the Iraqie people. Nor has any further commitment come from the French Government to help since the war sought of finished. I know I am off the subject a bit, but France has historically been a spoiler and forgotton those who have been allies in the past in pursuit of their own agenda. So I say again the American public should not be giving too much creedence to the European Media. Its interesting, when Mr Bush came out here a couple of weeks ago, to green senators maligned him, very un Australian., and they have paid the price in recent polls. The reality is France are in no position to critise yhe US, one just has to consider the fact that they still control nations that they have no right to and at this point in time are still fighting several wars with sepratists around the globe, so one does need to consider what gives them the right to take the Moral high ground on International policy wheter it is relations with the UN, or the world in general or for that matter economic policy.
on Nov 09, 2003
And it's not just true of France. If you look at ANY country under a microscope things start to look grim. Australia is the only modern nation to SUCCESFULLY carry out genocide for example (against the native Tazmanians). We won't even start on Germany. Even neutral Switzerland has a taudry history.

I'm not going to lose too much sleep to what the newspapers in France or Germany or Belgium write about Bush.

The US economy, btw, is currently growing at over 7% annually. Things are going pretty well here. Unemployment is at 6.0%.

Calor, btw, doesn't provide any actual solutions to the problem ofj obs going overseas. Just blame.

I should write a followu p article to this.

So what should those evil Republicans do to stop jobs from going overseas?

He can:

a) Give tax breaks and aid to American companies and have the left charge him with "corporate welfare"

He can smack tarrifs on foreign imports and subsidize American companies and get in trouble with the WTO (didn't we just see a post about that?)

Like Anthony pointed out, it was CLINTON that gave China permanent most favored trade status -- without requiring them to reform some of their shady trade practices.
on Nov 09, 2003
One comment, Draginol, Australia did not carry out systemised genocide on Tasmainians, if you where in Australia you would be better informed as this very issue is being debated by Historians, both white and balck. The upshot is that while British settlers in some area pursued this policy it was not Government policy, nor was it favoured by the population at the time or the Crown, being the Government of the day. However having said that, in Australia like many other countries we have perptrated many crimes against the indeginous population, which we all have to accept as being fact and very wrong. However Genocide is the systematic and orginised eradication of people, this was not the case, while it does not deminish the crimes, you still need to be factual in your arguments. There are many other things that where done on systematic basis against the Aborigional Population, none of which I for one am proud to have part of my country's history, including the stolen generations and the masacares that were perpatrated against the indeginous population. As well as the slave trade of the Torres straight Islanders. As I said before Draginol, I will accept that the way the early settlers treated the first residents is shamefull and criminal, but at least get your facts straight mate, OK. Otherwise we could sit here all day pointing the finger, my friend. Thinghs like the Occupation of In\dian Land, and the ensuring treatment of these people , or the occupation of a large chunk of Mexico, now known as New Mexico, Texas and California, to name a few issues. I have never claimed to hold the moral high ground, but I won't lie down and be accused of mistruths, by the ill informed. I should mention that I do have the inside running on relation to aboriginal history, as my dear old mum is actually an authority on the subject and is often called to give evidence in land claim cases on behalf of the aboriginal population to help them win their case. So as you can see I am not talking out my arse. Of course genocide or not the fact remains that all abroiginal pure bloods in Tasmania have either been murdered of the last two centuries or died as a result of disease, so the sad fact is that we can discuss symantics till the cows come home, but it won't bring these people back, or change the injustice of it all. I might add that I have always been a vocal critic of the current governments head in the sand attitude to problems which still beset the aboriginals in Australia.
In closing Draginol, critise Australia all you like but get it right.
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